Replay of the 83rd issue of the night talk, no solution, and another discussion on "Which country are you from" and the issue of identity

Robert:

Let’s start now, thank you @无解, and good evening everyone. That is to say, the last time we talked about it last week in August, Wujie talked about the issue of identity, which country you are from, and then he didn’t finish it. Let’s continue today. Well, last time I asked two questions, so if you have heard it, you may know that one is about the identity experience in different environments in the article, and the other is about dealing with this kind of experience in teaching experience. French Taiwanese identity. So I have two more questions, that is, I will start with a question now. I want to ask No Answer, that is, you mentioned the conflict between parent-teacher conferences and schools and the situation of children in school. So what do you think is how to balance individual identity and social and political factors? the relationship between? Thank you Wujie.

No solution:

I think speaking from a personal perspective, I would be more inclined to put the interests of the children as the best interest. In fact, when a child is in a school, it is a mini society, but children do not know what politics is, they do not know what society is, they only know how to say whether they like their classmates, so they understand that friendship is relatively innocent. friendship. But what is unfortunate? That is to say, in his school, my children have the type where both parents are Chinese and come from mainland China, airborne. What I mean by airborne is that, for example, the child is in sixth grade. Some Chinese students were airborne directly into the sixth grade. They didn’t come here slowly. For example, they first lived in France for a year or two. No, they came directly from China. Come here, so they will be brainwashed after all. Because first of all, if both parents are Chinese, they have been brainwashed by their own culture and society during their own growth. Of course, what I call brainwashing is not a derogatory term. What I call brainwashing means that you have been influenced by your own culture, and what people outside tell you is that you will be affected, and you will definitely be affected. Your thinking pattern will remain in your original family or environment. So the strange thing about the international schools here is that when these children come here, some of them will not adapt to the children here. When they come, they will bring the whole set of things from China. come over. There will also be some cultural conflicts. For example, let me give you an example. That is to say, some children may or may not be new arrivals. In other words, their original family is a purely Chinese family. , for example, he would call him Chairman Mao if he was called Chairman Mao. If someone said that Mao Zedong would not do this. I once heard a child say that a classmate was talking about Mao Zedong, and then another classmate told the kid who was talking about Mao Zedong that you can't call Chairman Mao Zedong, you have to call him Chairman Mao, and then the two started fighting, and then After the two of them had finished fighting, they started fighting, and the teacher didn’t care, because the teacher looked at which teacher he was, because there were Chinese teachers, and then there were Taiwanese teachers, so there would be some conflicts at this time, and then I What I want to say now is that in fact, these situations should not happen when children get along. But speaking from my personal identity, I would prefer not to comment, but I will tell the children that we are from different places. Come on, the version he heard was his parents and the country his parents came from. The version they told behind their backs. What we heard was our own version, the version of our own family of origin. Every family has it. We don't have to quarrel over a version. The main thing is that we have to use French standards as the standard, which means we use third-party standards as the standard, and don't use China or Taiwan's version to quarrel. That's it. So I think we can basically find a balance, that is to say, when we go to a third-party country, the third party shall prevail, and it is indeed in an international school. After all, the French are international schools or French schools. They have one main , their main classes are French classes, and they only have 66 hours of Chinese classes a week, so they are mainly French classes. Under such circumstances, France's standards should still be used as the standard. Basically France is a free country. If you want to call him Chairman Mao Mao Zedong, there will be no problem. I don’t know if what I said is clear enough. If you have any questions, you are welcome to answer, communicate or reflect. right.

No solution:

For children, let me actually answer the questions that Weng’s children should listen to now. He really repeats what adults say, especially what his parents or grandparents say. Like some of us here, especially the Chinese. , he will have the so-called grandparents come here, or the grandparents will come here. These my grandparents are older, and their entire adult process has been in the country of their native family, so they are deeply rooted. Those who are ingrained will repeat to children the knowledge they have received throughout their lives. Because they don't understand foreign languages, they can't listen to the news here, or watch a political analysis or coup program. Therefore, children will have some cognitive misunderstandings and will be influenced by their grandparents, and then they will become, for example, more extreme. It is indeed quite serious, indeed. Quite different.

Robert:

Because if you look at China’s feudal or imperial society for a long time, if you look at the memorials in ancient China, for example, if you mention the emperor, the emperor, your majesty, etc., mainly the royal ones, you have to look up, because in the past The character is written from right to left and from top to bottom. You raise your head and then two spaces. Then if you mention the emperor during a chat, you should stand up and hand over your hands. This is the kind of training that used to be very long. time.

No solution:

right. There is another interesting thing that I mentioned. Last year, my child had a new Chinese teacher in his class. The new Chinese teacher was very militaristic, which meant that the children had to stand still when the teacher came. Get up, say hello, teacher, and then salute, yes, stand up, salute, and sit down. Then when the children came home and told me, I thought it was a bit exaggerated, because children here are very free, especially college students. In my school, they are quite free in class, and sometimes They can get up and walk around, throw away garbage, etc. They don't have to get up to drink water or go to the toilet. In other words, there is no need for teachers to stand up and salute and sit down like this. This teacher asked them to line up. Every time they had a break, they had to line up during recess, and he also gave them a number. Only with their number can they go to the outdoor game place. Then I I think this is a bit exaggerated. There is no way to meet such teachers. They ask questions in a very military style and must raise their hands. If they don't raise their hands, they can't speak. Then they seem to put their hands on the table, but they forget it behind their backs. Anyway, there are certain rules in class, which I think is very rigid, and then it seems that there is also recording or how to record the children's class, and also give back to China, because they fund Chinese classes in international schools Yes, the Chinese side cooperates with the French side, which has nothing to do with Taiwan, and so now the department head has just come, and a department head is Taiwanese, so now it is equivalent to the head of the Chinese department in their school who is the most powerful The power man, he is a Taiwanese, so very big differences. Then there is another point I mentioned. I mentioned their textbooks by the way. It was quite interesting. One day I accidentally picked it up and looked through it to see how there was an article about Sun Moon Lake, Sun Moon Lake, and then it also said that Sun Moon Lake is our motherland. What a treasure island, Taiwan is such an advanced place, I thought to myself, and suddenly I thought of a parent who was reporting, why do international schools take outdoor teaching to Taiwan instead of to China? One of the parents in his family reflected that there are so many good places in China, but why Taiwan? My question is just the opposite. There are so many good places in China introduced, but there is an article in the fourth grade elementary school text called Taiwan’s Sun Moon Lake, the Treasure Island of the Motherland.

Robert:

This should be a political consideration.

No solution:

Yes, there is a political consideration, and their consideration may be to instill in all Chinese children that Taiwan is part of China when they are young. I think it means that the CCP has a certain purpose in doing this. Because in fact, I think he doesn’t need to talk about it to brainwash people like this. I don’t know what he is asking for in creating such an ideology, and why he wants to talk about it. I feel like he is using the How to use nationalism as a means to split and divide? Maybe it is to shift the target and make everyone stop focusing all their attention on the bad things about China. It is just a cover for him to make a big deal about the issue of Taiwan's independence, so that everyone can focus on it. Go to this aspect of Taiwan independence. And in fact, it is also dividing the Taiwanese people in disguise, and then dividing the Chinese people, because among the Chinese in mainland China, they also have very different opinions, so when everyone comes here, they are fighting to the death, whether Taiwan is Chinese or not. At the moment, I feel that the Chinese government has consumed everyone’s attention and energy, so it won’t notice what it failed to do well. This is what I think. This is only my personal opinion. Yes, the problem is that there are some people who don’t say much about it. They don’t have any outside perspective, or they have never questioned the government’s corrective actions. wrong? Moreover, the information he may have been receiving is official information, so he has not had a process of reflection. He may really believe that they, who have relatively few channels for receiving external information, will have no way to judge what is What is right and wrong, so what they say in the end may be quite extreme, and these words will have a certain impact on the children. So I think this is very interesting. What international schools do now is send teachers from China. Those teachers are highly brainwashed. When they come here, they sometimes tell children some very brainwashed things. There are also them in books and texts, such as Sun Moon Lake. I just mentioned that these are all connected together. Some teachers are very interesting. They have some world views, because after all, they have been here for a long time. Some of them tried to climb over the wall to absorb some outside information when they were in China. Then after they came here, they They will be more inclined to make friends with Taiwanese department heads, so now there are two or two trends. One is that Taiwan is very good, and Taiwan’s thematic teaching is very good, and I support it. Then there is another old-school parent, who will think that they must use the Chinese language teaching materials, and then they must adhere to the instructions given by the central government. It seems that they call the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office or something, give instructions, and then they must follow the instructions given by the national government. The Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council and the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of the State Council are from Taiwan. Now I can’t figure out how to deal with them. So now there are two very different, and they are very different in my own school. But I will reiterate, what I said last time In fact, there are no differences. Our purpose in school is to learn. I think what we have in common is that we don’t need to look at the things around us that may interfere with us. In fact, the most important thing is to learn and grow in school. You have to learn how to be a person, so these things are actually secondary. The most important thing you should focus on is your study, your French study, your math study, your sports, your music or whatever. Others, but don’t waste your energy discussing why you should go to Taiwan for outdoor teaching, why not? I won’t go to China. There are people in the South who are as cautious as Taiwan. Don’t speculate on these. Then don’t speculate on whether we should adopt Taiwanese-style subject teaching or should we use the cramming-style teaching like China. But I am a bit more biased. So the reason for thematic teaching is because I think since everyone has come abroad, right? Then don’t move things out of China for use. If you need to move things out of China for use, then why don’t you go back? Since you think China is good, if you want to continue this way, why do you want to come to this place to live? This is my question, that's it. So I think that based on the standards here, as much freedom as you are given here, you should try to enjoy your freedom. Then if others have freedom, you have nothing to do, and you cannot interfere with other people's freedom. If others want It's your family's freedom to call Chairman Mao or Grandpa Xi, but here we just call him Xi Jinping, and then Mao Zedong, it doesn't matter. Just tell the children that there are cultural differences, and basically they are very accepting of it. It's just like what I just said last time, that is to say, as parents, our identity should be that of parents, not that you are Taiwanese and I am Chinese. In this area of ​​identity, we must fulfill our responsibilities and obligations as parents, which means that we allow our children to go to school peacefully and without any political differences. In this way, identity ends here, so I say I can basically get along very well with some Chinese parents because we only look out for the best interests of our children and don't look at anything else. Even on my side, because I once had some parents who were in contact with China, so that their children could go back to participate in summer camps during the summer vacation, then I have no objection to my children going to China to participate in summer camps. I have no objection at all. Then on my side, I may also be able to find an opportunity for my children to attend a summer camp in Taiwan. Then I once asked my children's classmates, and they were all very happy to participate, so in fact, I think there is no difference between us in this regard, and it is okay. We all have to find our own balance in this area, and then everyone knows that it is not allowed, and it is best to avoid questions about the Chinese language in Taiwan. Like this

Robert:

I would like to ask the teachers of the militarized management you just talked about. What kind of school is the equivalent of Taiwanese students and Taiwanese teachers or Taiwanese students and Chinese teachers or Chinese students? Is it a junior high school, a high school, an elementary school or a university?

No solution:

There is a dragon for everyone. He has been in this school for a total of 12 years, from the first grade of elementary school to the third grade of high school.

It has a primary school, a junior high school and a high school. Yes, they learn Chinese for 6 hours starting from elementary school. These children learn Chinese. Then I don’t know how many hours it will take to get to junior high school. Now my children are going to junior high school this year. They will go to junior high school after graduating from the fifth grade of elementary school. There is no sixth grade in elementary school. Ours is 1, 2, 345, then 654321, then the last year, and the last year is called the last year Diao Mina, so it is 12345, 654321, and then 0, like this,

Robert:

And I can probably understand what you just said. I would like to ask, to what extent will this kind of conflict become serious? Will there be a fight or something? Taiwan

No solution:

There were fights among children. There were fights among children. There were fights several times. The fights between children didn’t matter. The most serious one was that there were two teachers. I wrote in the article that there were two teachers and he and I have a better relationship with the head of the department in Taiwan, and he may also prefer traditional Chinese characters. I don’t know the specific reason, but they seem to use traditional Chinese characters in class, and then they were The parents reported it, and the two teachers were invited to have tea. It seemed like this. After they came back, the two teachers were said to be mentally traumatized, so they took a week or two of sick leave and rested at home. Then the students were left without a teacher, and the students were left without a teacher for another week or two. I think this is an exaggeration, because there is no need to be like this. As a teacher, like myself, I basically use simplified Chinese characters, because the Chinese teaching here in France basically uses simplified Chinese characters. , but I learned simplified Chinese characters the day after tomorrow, so I am not very smart. I often forget how to write simplified characters. I will write traditional Chinese characters on the blackboard, and I will tell the students that I have forgotten how to write simplified characters. You can check it yourself, everyone. There are dictionaries, and everyone has Google. It is very easy for you to look it up. You don’t need me to say that I can write simplified Chinese characters, but it is already not easy to write traditional Chinese characters, right? But basically I can use both, and I won’t exclude any system. These two teachers probably belong to the same situation, but I think they are from China. They may be showing the children how to write traditional Chinese characters, which should be like this. Later, I was reported. I felt that this thing turned into a simple language learning and a political topic. I felt that it was too much. Because traditional Chinese characters are also Chinese characters, and traditional Chinese characters are the ancestral pair. If you don’t know traditional Chinese characters, you have to read classical Chinese. There are problems in reading ancient poems, and you don’t know how to write traditional Chinese characters. If you want to write calligraphy, that is a very inappropriate thing, to me. Because simplified Chinese characters are not that beautiful after all, so if you use calligraphy, you must write traditional Chinese characters. Therefore, when we learn Chinese, we inevitably have to learn traditional Chinese characters. In some cases, when we reach an advanced stage, we must write traditional Chinese characters. We are dealing with traditional Chinese characters, so we cannot tell students that just because they write traditional Chinese characters, their Chinese is unorthodox and irregular. This is not acceptable, right? This is my idea, and because it has something to do with my work, right

Robert:

In ancient China, all Chinese characters were traditional Chinese characters, and there were no simplified Chinese characters. Simplified Chinese characters were gradually simplified later.

No solution:

Not for 1958? It’s called character reform, but not everyone has gone through the character reform, so how can this matter be like this? It’s just to deny the traditional Chinese characters, and it has been turned into a political topic for a long time, and then it has to be punished and invited to drink tea. Or something, so it doesn't seem serious to invite them to tea. I think the two teachers may have been traumatized when they came back, and there must be some specific punishment, so they would be in this state. It must be like this. Yes, and to be honest, the useful life of simplified Chinese characters is probably less than 70 years. From 1958 to now, if you are better at math, it may be 60 years if you are quick at mental calculation. Yes, about 60 years ago. Then you compare traditional Chinese characters, which are thousands of years of culture. How do you compare whether you should learn simplified Chinese characters or traditional Chinese characters? I think people who are passionate about Chinese will tend to learn traditional Chinese characters. of.

Robert:

The calligraphy is all traditional Chinese characters, you can see they are couplets,

No solution:

Yes, there are very few people who write in simplified Chinese.

Yes, I don’t know how often this traditional Chinese character is used in China. For example, can ordinary people still recognize it and use it, or what?

Robert:

That’s right, don’t you have a lot of tourist attractions now? For example, all the monuments and other things are in Traditional Chinese, while the calligraphy in Simplified Chinese is all in Traditional Chinese. And yes, of course it is Simplified Chinese in daily life, that is, different buses, subways, buses, airplanes, etc., of course because it is a set of standardized characters, of course it is always Simplified Chinese. In fact, the anti-simplification conflict you mentioned may be due to a special contradictory environment. In an environment like France where there are Taiwanese, that is, Chinese, he feels that he needs to defend something. In fact, if it was only in a purely Chinese environment, with only people from mainland China, I shouldn't have any problems. He may think that he wants him to stand firm. In fact, what he is nitpicking here is not the issue of traditional and simplified Chinese. In fact, he may think that he must stand firm against the Taiwanese people and fight resolutely. Do you hear that?

No solution:

There was a slight disconnect just now, so I didn't hear clearly, but I roughly know what you were talking about. Yes, he was probably trying to defend his position, but I think it was also overly sensitive. I think if a person is overly sensitive, he will have many colleagues. That is to say, colleagues. What I mean by colleagues is that you don’t respect me. You don’t want to use my simplified Chinese characters. How can you look down on me? It’s a bit like this The feeling, I don’t know if it is like this, but why defend? Need to defend? Because the entire Chinese population of 1.4 billion uses simplified Chinese characters, does it need to be defended? I think traditional Chinese characters need to be defended.

Robert:

He has a saying in the Chinese political context called "Be brave in struggle". I don't know if it is easy to understand.

No solution:

struggle

Robert:

right. There is also a saying that the Cultural Revolution used a lot of words to say that fighting against heaven and earth is endless fun, and fighting against earth is endless fun. It's endless fun to fight with others.

No solution:

Fighting with heaven and earth is endless fun, fighting with earth is endless fun, God, do you think everyone in China likes to fight like this? Don't you feel tired?

Robert:

What if you don’t fight? No~ Isn’t it very hard? no

No solution:

What should I do if I can’t move? Can you find a more peaceful one? I think fighting is about fighting to the death, and then being in a game state all day long. I think this is a very energy-consuming thing, a very energy-consuming thing. .

Robert:

Yes, but it's a, but it's a reality

No solution:

How do you survive? Are you used to it?

Robert:

Habit

No solution:

Can you not fight? Can we not fight? Just say that it doesn’t matter if you fight me and I ignore you, is that okay?

Robert:

Didn’t you suffer a loss?

No solution:

I have nothing to lose. I save my ability and my energy, so if I don’t lose, I have nothing to lose.

Robert:

Let me tell you two examples. Let me use an analogy. One is when we talk about the grassroots level, that is to say, if we are all manual workers, and the most basic level is the one with a very meager income, then if you fight me , you bullied me, then you may do less work and get as much money as me, or even more than me, so why should I suffer this loss? I will fight you back.

No solution:

Can the field of view be broadened? Just say you fight me and I can find a job elsewhere.

Robert:

The same goes for other places,

No solution:

At least you don't have to stay in one place to fight with one person.

Robert:

Just change your place and fight with someone else.

No solution:

Not necessarily changing places. There is a slang saying in French that is, don’t put all your eggs in the same basket. I think this sentence is particularly true. I have always adhered to the spirit of not putting all your eggs in one basket, then there will not be so many animal problems.

I may give an example, that is, I will give an example. My own work experience tells me that I am not working in a school. If there are classes in our school, some teachers will grab them. If there are classes, the teachers will tell the truth. There is also what you call having the courage to fight and having the spirit. One day I told my boss, who is our principal, that there is no need for everyone to fight like this, because in fact the world is very big and you don’t need to be in it. Dou, go look outside. At that time, I gave the school a few ideas to compare ways to expand enrollment. As a result, the number of students doubled last year, that is, the number of students doubled. This year, it doubled, doubled and tripled. The result is that all the teachers can’t finish the teaching. Now it’s coming down, and then there are too many and they can’t finish it. In this case, is it because the world is very big? Actually, I am not talking about how great I am. There is no such thing at all. I also did not imagine that it would be so good. In the end, I just wanted to say to my colleagues at the time. Why do they have to fight like this? In fact, the outside world is very big. If there are two people at the grassroots level fighting, you can go. I don’t know if it is popular in China to say that I will work here and then work elsewhere. There are many office jobs in France, which means I can work a little part-time here and a little part-time there, but they can be the kind of secret agents who work in secret offices, or they don’t have to put all their energy into it. It's really complicated to interact with one person in one place.

No solution:

Habit is a habit in China, and interpersonal relationships are complicated.

Robert:

One is the grassroots I just told you about, such as ordinary manual workers or grassroots employees, and the other is bureaucrats. For example, officials fight fiercely. That is to say, I have a friend who turns out to be a grassroots employee. A policeman, and later he became a minor official, and then he told me that at the grassroots level, they spend 70% of their energy on work and 30% of their energy on struggle. Then the agency he was transferred to was reversed. The agency was not a big agency, but an agency within the city, the municipal bureau. So what does the municipal bureau look like? It’s 70% for fighting and 30% for work

No solution:

I think they, I think this system has created a bunch of mentally ill people,

Robert:

right,

No solution:

Because only if you are mentally abnormal will you think that I am going to tease others. If you are well, why would you want to tease others? If you think that I am very happy in this position, then I will do it. I do my job, and then I live the life I should live, without having to fight with others. It seems easy to me, but in fact this is a human relationship, and humans are very complex animals. Indeed, I can understand it, but how much time do you have to spend fighting with others, that is yourself. I think we can't change others, but at least we can control ourselves.

Robert:

And if you watch foreign movies about struggles, for example, from a Chinese perspective, they feel particularly childish, because the fierceness of China’s struggles and the kind of bloodshed or the longevity or the tradition are far away from them. Far more than the kind of struggle abroad, I think it has a lot to do with society, including the entire social system.

No solution:

Yes, and I think it has something to do with the past Legalist rule, because the past Legalists created a set of so-called severe punishments. Some of their tortures were really cruel, and it may have something to do with it. I think the cruel thing is, for example, if you execute a person in a public place, and then train everyone to be an animal without blood and tears, it seems that punishing a person is not the same thing. It's a very happy thing. I think this has reached a perverted level. For example, I once saw a woman called riding a rocking horse or something who had an affair in the past. I saw the asset library, and after seeing it, I couldn’t believe it. It turned out that I was born in this culture, and that I was born in such an environment. I couldn’t believe it myself. Yes, sometimes when I see things done by people in ancient times, I really doubt my own culture.

Robert:

There are actually very cruel things in Chinese culture. Yes, it may have a lot to do with the Chinese Empire or the establishment of such a large territory. For example, if you look at the Qin and Han Dynasties, not to mention the ancient times, Just look at Zheng He's voyages to the West. There is a famous story in China about Zheng He's voyages to the West. Zheng He was a eunuch. How did he become a eunuch? He was originally a child in Yunnan, and then in the late Yuan and Ming Dynasties At the beginning, the Ming army went to Yunnan. From the analysis of historical data, that is to say, after he went there, what would the Ming army do after they won the battle? They killed all the adult men over there, then snatched away or killed all the women, and then castrated all the children. Zheng He is one of them, he should be between 55 and 8 years old. This makes me read some DNA analysis about him, which turns out that almost all the indigenous people in Yunnan are extinct, which is a genocide.

No solution:

It means genocide, genocide, yes. In fact, for example, some people who committed genocide here were severely criticized. People in Europe also commemorate which race committed genocide every year. , and then whatever happens. But you can’t hear these things in China,

Robert:

Because right? If you think about the end of the Yuan Dynasty and the beginning of the Ming Dynasty, it was not many years ago, about 500 to 500 years ago, less than 600 years ago. At that time, it was commonplace. You can see this thing when you look at the history of the Ming Dynasty, and you can also see this kind of thing in the history of the Qing Dynasty. , there will be massacres at every turn, one is Chidi coming thousands of miles away to kill many people, maybe with just one sentence, the entire clan may be wiped out.

No solution:

I just saw yesterday that I received an article yesterday because I subscribed to the French translation xs magazine, and I haven't finished reading the as magazine yet, but I can talk about it again after I finish reading it. He was talking about all the leaders under totalitarian rule, including Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Hitler. He was analyzing these people in the magazine, saying that they all had brain problems and that they were all perverts. Why do I think that these rulers are perverts? Because only these perverts can become rulers. Because they have the kind of closeness, they dare to do massacres and the like. It is said that before Mao Zedong led the Cultural Revolution, he knew how many people would die, but he underestimated it. In the end, it seems that he underestimated the number. But after knowing it, and after the final results came out, he probably knew how many people would die. From now on, to him, it is just a number. He does not associate this number with people and families, so it becomes bloodless and tearless. You have to become a leader, like the emperors of the past. He was actually bloodless and tearless. He was trained to be bloodless and tearless. He would not sympathize with the sufferings of the people. He would kill them all if he did not look happy. , and then they want to exterminate the species, destroy everything, kill the nine tribes, isn't this the way it comes about? In the past, when I was unhappy, I would kill all the nine clans and kill all the people with the surname Li or the surname Wu, right? So this is still a somewhat perverted system, yes. Anyway, these madmen are not just in China. It turns out that we have to go back to the old saying, people are all the same. When you come here, Hitler is also a madman, right? right. They probably never felt true love when they were growing up. I think so. They are all psychopaths and there really is nothing they can do about it.

I was wondering if we could discuss our fourth question again

Robert:

Okay, I will continue below. That is to say, our last one, I would like to ask No Answer, what are your views on the situation in the Taiwan Strait? How do you think Taiwan’s identity will change in this context? This is the last question

No solution:

Ok, I think it’s just the situation in the Taiwan Strait. What do you think? I think the situation across the Taiwan Strait means that most Taiwanese people would prefer to maintain the status quo. Why maintain the status quo? First of all, if you can't beat someone, everyone knows that you can't beat them, so they will accept it and continue to be belittled and insulted. There is no way, because mainland China is a bit like a horror lover. I have another article called a horror lover. I really feel that there is a horror scene there. Why? Just like we don’t dare to divorce our abusive husband, why don’t we? Because you told him that I want to be independent, I want to go out, I'm sorry, I want to divorce you, and then I want to start a family on my own, then I will either be beaten, killed, or surrounded and thrown missiles . In fact, I dare not say it. If you hold it back in your heart, you will hold it in, and it will also cause internal injuries, right? In fact, there is no way to say it on the surface. For example, I seem to pretend to agree, but in fact I am still cursing in my heart. Although we criticize and dare not criticize, as a Taiwanese, we dare not criticize, but in fact we are very dissatisfied. When you are suppressed, you feel very uncomfortable. You feel that you have been devalued. Now there is a situation where the only way out is to find a big fish, which you can see in the sea or in an aquarium. We all He can see small fish, but when he can't fight the big fish, he will find a bigger fish, and then swim next to it, which is very safe, because the big fish can intimidate other fish. Taiwan feels a bit like this now. In fact, it is seeking protection from being eaten by big fish or other big fish. The biggest fish in the world right now is the United States, so Taiwan is joining forces with the United States for joint ventures, but this is understandable. In fact, I returned to France, which means that the French actually have a sense of justice. They always supported Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war. The judge always compared Taiwan to Ukraine and regarded it as Ukraine. He really wanted to That is to say, the French really want to help Taiwan, so in fact, Taiwan should tell the truth and seek help from the French. What do you think of Taiwan? The French regard Taiwan as Ukraine. In fact, the French want to defend two things in their values. What they say they want to defend is their freedom. The first is freedom of thought. The second is their freedom. What was defended was anti-communism. This is very ironic. In fact, I have talked with Japan before about communism. In fact, it came from France. The main source of communism in the Paris Commune was in France. Now they are anti-communist. For this anti-communism, and then for Anti-Hitler, anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, they will regard China as another type of fascist. In fact why do they support Ukraine? In fact, we are afraid that the history of World War II will repeat itself again in Europe. So he now regards Russia as a Nazi and neo-Nazi, and in China and Asia, China is now described by the French as a new one, bracketed by the new Nazis, so the French also have a certain consciousness for themselves. They are anti-communist and anti-Nazi, so they should support Taiwan, but they are economically linked to China, so on the surface they are friendly with China, or they go to China for visits. Yes, they still go to China for a visit, and then they still sign up for as many airplanes as possible, sell as many aerial courses as they want, but in fact they support Taiwan behind the scenes, so they are two-faced people.

No solution:

The main reason for the French government to cooperate with the Chinese government is economic considerations, and the French government's support for Taiwan is based on ideological considerations, so these are two different things. I don't know if other people have problems, or

Robert:

I have seen some data, which means that those who support Ukraine, that is, the Western powers or those supported by the United States, are far ahead, many times more than the second place. Then there is the UK. I think France does support Ukraine in terms of momentum, but I don’t think it offers much.

No solution:

But he accepts immigrants and refugees, like my neighbor, my neighbor, my neighbor’s wife is Ukrainian, and my neighbor is very active in supporting Ukraine. In our community, we have organized events to send supplies to Ukraine and receive Ukrainian refugees. There are some families like ours. If there is space and space at home, we can receive Ukrainian families or children. Or the situation of a mother raising a child. That is to say, their support actually lies in the general mobilization of the people. France may not have much money in terms of military quality internationally, but they have contributed quite a lot.

Robert:

Because what I look at are all arms, for example, how many aircraft and tanks you support or how much money you give. I don’t think France gives much.

No solution:

Yeah, but I guess the U.S. doesn't accept a lot of immigrants, refugees

Robert:

Very few, the United States seems to be at this point

No solution:

Actually banana it's been on. Yes, they won’t accept them, they won’t take the refugees away, they will impoverish their country. But we are struggling to take a big step here. There are many in the Netherlands.

No solution:

Then, like my daughter, we met a Ukrainian mother with two children where she was studying music. The Ukrainian mother did not speak French, and the children also studied music in their music conservatory at school. Ukrainian children are just children who now work as translators for their mothers. After one year of their birth, their children become very good and speak French very well. Then they work as translators for their mothers. In fact, there are quite a few in the end, as you can see at the end . Yes, so I think their support is among the people.

Robert:

Understand, then many Ukrainians went to France.

No solution:

For many of us, the place where I live is considered a big city, and then I live in the suburbs. I don't live in the city yet. The suburbs have been mobilized like this, and there are even more cities.

Robert:

Yes, will they stay here permanently in the future, or will they wait until there is a war in Ukraine?

Unexplained: After the situation eases, they will still treat them. Mainly because of their current situation. They live here. I am thinking that there may be two batches in the future. One batch will say that he does not want to go back, and then feels that It's too scary and there will be some traumatic memories, so they don't want to go back. In addition, they always miss their hometown, so they are divided into two types when they want to go back. Many people say they want to go back, rebuild their homes, and then go back.

Robert:

Are there many Hong Kong people there? Because I see that many Hong Kong people go to the UK. Are there more people going to France?

No solution:

When Hong Kong people come here, they may not be able to get along if they speak straightforward words because they don't speak French. Because there is a very bad phenomenon in France. Last time I was chatting in the chat room of the previous episode, I mentioned that they don’t speak English very well regarding laws and regulations, so

Hong Kong people who don’t speak English in daily life can only speak English when they come here, and they regard it as the UK. As soon as they come here, they start talking and they find themselves very disappointed because no one cares about them. Because the French don't speak English, they don't speak English well, and they have to speak English tomorrow. First of all, they have an inferiority complex, and they are afraid and want to escape, so the more you speak English, the more they ignore you.

It’s not necessarily true, so the French are a proud and inferior nation. In fact, they are quite similar to China. I’m sorry, but they are proud of them. They use their own history, culture and language to distinguish themselves. He felt very proud of himself. But in fact, they have a very low self-esteem. They like to scold, criticize, and teach others. But in fact, when foreigners come, they will be scared to death, but Hong Kong people He speaks some English better, so when he starts speaking English, he gets scared when the French lock him up. But it depends on where you go. For example, if you go to the university where I work, our students, especially those who study in the Department of Foreign Languages, are very good in English, so if you meet a Hong Kong person who speaks English , they will be happy, and they will communicate generously, but it depends on where they go, but basically in daily life, they are not good at language, so the lack of language creates a very inferior mentality, so Hong Kong people come They really can't survive here. Not long ago, an American Internet celebrity came to our small town, and then he wrote an article about crying on the video, and then said that France is a very unfriendly country, and how much he was treated when he came here. Discrimination, no one paid any attention to it, and then this matter made a big fuss in the news, and some reporters made a fuss about it, saying that the laws and regulations needed to be improved, which was so unfriendly, and the world’s image was not good, that’s what happened A trend.

No solution:

It was like this not long ago and a few months ago, so I don’t think it’s necessarily them. I feel that after living here for so long, I have my own experience. My own experience is that I think the French were the first ones. Sometimes they will be very indifferent. They are very indifferent. Do you think they are proud? Right? Why do you do it yourself? Anyway, when you look at people with your nostrils, you feel that they are very proud. But in fact, they are not like this. Not entirely, but some of them take a long time to come and talk to you. Talking to everyone, for example, how can I say it at my place of work, because there is a dining room where we work, and I will meet some French colleagues, and French colleagues will basically not talk to me, they will fight. Say hello and then won't talk to me. Then first of all, I felt that they had many assumptions and things that they were afraid of, and some little voices began to pop up in their hearts. What language does he speak, which country does he come from, how should I follow him? He deals with it or something. In fact, the French put a lot of distance between you at first, but in fact once they start to communicate with you, they are really friendly, but that period of indifference in the early stage is actually quite long, so it needs The other party needs to have a certain mentality. What do you say? It's a process to accept their behavior if you are willful. They are very cold at first, then very stern, and then basically have no enthusiasm. This is a process of interacting with them one by one.

Robert:

This is completely different from Americans. Americans are very enthusiastic from the beginning and talk endlessly.

No solution:

Yes, the Chinese are also Chinese and they are croaking endlessly. The question is, are they sincere? Is he sincere? It may not be sincere, but if the judge once befriends you, he is not sincere and may be willing to believe me, so it seems that one is not as good as two.

Robert

Then if everyone wants to communicate, they can open the mic themselves. Then there is no need for Google Meeting in this place. It seems that there is no need for the administrator to agree to anything. You can open the mic and speak by yourself.

No solution:

You are welcome to chat.

Robert:

The only thing is that this is how Chinese people view foreigners, and that there are probably two other points that are very similar to what Lu Xun said. Either they are foreigners or foreign devils are in these two stages.

No solution:

Let me answer the previous message. At that time, many Chinese people were just like the French. They behaved indifferently because of the language barrier. I think this is the case. I don’t know why, but maybe I have a little inferiority complex. Maybe I feel that my foreign language is not good enough or something, and then I have a little inferiority complex, and then it happens. In some small theaters, I wonder what will happen to him if I go there, will he be able to understand my speech, etc.? It doesn't matter to me now. When I see French people, I greet them directly. If I want to talk, I can talk. If I don't want to talk, forget it. Generally speaking, I will chat with them about the weather. Because the weather in France changes a lot, people actually have a so-called social small talk, which is to talk about the weather. Over here, if you don’t know how to communicate with people, you can tell them that the weather is really nice today, or It is said that it will rain tomorrow or something like that, so we can start chatting, and then we can start talking about what you do, where you live, etc. We sometimes eat together in a restaurant Or something like that, and then we’ll talk about food, whether your food tastes good or how it works. But in fact, they became quite talkative and chatty after chatting. It seems that the interesting people today all write in simplified Chinese characters.

Robert:

I would like to ask if there is anything in French, for example, is there a Parisian accent, that is, a Chinese dialect or something like that? Is it similar to French, or not much different?

No solution:

Yes, the southern accent is quite strong. Their accents are basically thick or heavy, but you can still understand what they are saying. For example, Marseille accents, Nice accents or Prussian accents all have different accents. Some LeTV websites have a Parisian accent, but it is difficult for ordinary foreigners to hear it. Except for the southern accent, which is easier to hear. Apart from distinguishing, it is actually harder to distinguish from other places, but in fact I have been here for a long time and I can tell. I know that this person is not from my city at least. There is one more thing you said

Robert:

That is very different from China. There is a huge gap between Chinese dialects and dialects, and you can’t understand them.

No solution:

But the problem is that you have to know that I will talk about China first. You have to know that I was just thinking about one thing that I want to talk about, and now I want to talk about two things about China. First, China is 17 times bigger, and France is 17 times bigger. Times bigger, so if you are in China and you go from one province to another, you are basically from our country to another country. If you want to use China as the standard, you have to compare Europe with Europe. How many languages ​​are there? From France to Spain, everyone can no longer understand each other, and there is no way to communicate because the language has changed, right? right. So in fact they are almost the same, just because France is equivalent to a very small place like China, which is actually a province, yes, so it is actually similar. What I want to talk about now is about the Parisian accent or other Marseille accents. Maybe you don’t know that there is a very interesting cultural phenomenon here. When they greet each other, they kiss each other on the cheek. I just came here. When I was young, I couldn't accept kissing on the cheek at first. Later, as I gradually got used to it, I found that some of them kissed me. Even touching my face was not actually a kiss, it meant touching my cheek. When everyone said hello, some of them would Two strokes, some three strokes, and some four strokes. People from different places have different habits. Integrity is also a science. That is to say, I couldn't figure it out at first. They have this as a hidden rule, that is to say. It is not easy for ordinary people to see how it should work, but in fact the French are very clear about it. Everyone knows very well that when I meet you, I should not kiss you. What next, because I am a foreigner. People, I was a foreigner when I first came here, so I asked them directly when they should take stock. Because I don’t like taking stock, so I hope to avoid it as much as possible, so I asked them when they should take stock, and they told me: You are only honest when you have a good relationship with him. I found that this is completely correct, because when I go to the workplace, I will see some colleagues involving each other, and some colleagues will be nice to you, and then Some colleagues didn’t even say hello when they saw it, they just walked over and there were various grades. Now because of the new crown epidemic in Kobi, everyone is afraid to sign now, so I can use this excuse now, and I don’t have to talk to others. I think kissing on the cheek is very unhygienic. To be honest, some men have very prickly beards, so kissing on the cheek is a very painful thing. Your face is going to be pricked, and if those 100 thorns touch this or that, it will feel like you haven’t touched it yet. I already had goosebumps all over my body, and it felt like I was being subjected to a kind of torture. And so this is the situation now. There is another very interesting question, should we drop Beng Shu? I don’t know if you know that the French word for hello is called Beng Shu? Good to know. This score is also based on knowledge. That is to say, we often go for walks. In my case, there is a forest near my home, yes. Then when you go for a walk in the forest, you have to memorize magic tricks with them, that is, you have to tell them magic tricks. He doesn't need people. I have a child with autism. He doesn't talk to others at all, but he looks very normal, so no one knows that there is anything wrong with him. Okay, so it’s better if he doesn’t tell others about his scores. It won’t cause you any psychological harm. Others will think that he is like this, and he will often be scolded in the future. Others will criticize you when they see him. Why are you so rude? I told you to close the letter and you won’t give me a reply. In this case, I will save him from behind and explain to him that he has a problem as soon as possible. But in fact, it is very difficult to say that you can't talk about me. Even for us normal people, I find it very difficult, let alone how to deal with a child who can't figure out the social situation. deal with. Basically, for example, if we go mountain climbing and meet someone on the mountain, how can we talk to each other? In the hidden rules, we will tell each other that we are mountain friends, so we must say hello to each other, so when we meet When there is eye contact when meeting, you must tell the other person at that time, Master Weng is like this. For example, if it is like my home, although there is a small forest next to my home, my home lives next to the Academy of Sciences. Therefore, many people who pass by the small forest are young people or office workers who work in the Academy of Sciences. Office workers are just passing by. They are not really going for a walk. When you meet them, you don’t have to say hello to them, because We are not walking buddies or mountain buddies walking with each other. It took me a long time to figure out this rule, but it is also my personal conclusion. However, I discussed it with them, and they confirmed to me that such a thing existed. I asked them when should they activate each other? Because we are all strangers, when should you say goodbye to him and when should you not say goodbye? My students told me that when you make eye contact with a teacher, you have to say hello, so now when I go for a walk, if I don’t want to talk to anyone, I don’t look at anyone, I change the floor, and then Go straight. This way I don't have to talk to anyone, which is very interesting, I don't know what it is like in China or Taiwan.

Robert:

What the Chinese say, that is, strangers are relatively indifferent, and acquaintances are also indifferent. This is a mixed thing in China. For example, among young people, if you say hello, it will be the same. Comprehensive, no, it would be rude not to say hello to him even if you don't know him, but it would be weird to say hello if you don't know him well.

No solution:

I have another question: I have encountered some Chinese parents here who did not say hello to anyone they met. What is going on?

Robert:

Bad relationship

No solution:

Yeah? We don't know each other very well, but we don't know each other very well, so why don't we say hello? Yes, that is to say, it does not matter. For example, some parents are not familiar with each other.

Robert:

right,

No solution:

You can just jump over and pretend you didn't see it.

Robert:

right.

No solution:

But basically I feel that if it were me, if I recognized that I had seen that person and then didn’t say hello to them, I would feel very rude. This is my personal opinion. Then there is another kind of person who nods, yes, there is another kind of person that I can understand, that is, he doesn’t recognize people’s faces, like my son, he doesn’t recognize everyone else, and he can’t figure out who he is with. He cannot recognize people's faces because he has never looked at people's faces carefully, so he cannot recognize people's faces. So I have this kind of person because I have such a child, so now I can understand that there is still a kind of person in the world who can not recognize people. If this kind of person does not greet each other, I will find it acceptable. So now I don’t think that people don’t say hello to me, why do I have so-and-so theaters, because now I know that some people are face-blind, and I think of the word called face-blindness. right. I don’t know if anyone has heard of it. Some people are really handicapped and have face blindness. After the great revolution of the last century in China, all the cumbersome etiquette was eliminated. I also think that because I still have a lot of trouble talking, I would like to thank you for helping me, but I found that the average Chinese parent does it? Want it? It's very direct. Unlike us, do you think you will go? Like me, if I ask a person's opinion, I would say do you think you will go? What do you think about this? No, because sometimes parents’ speeches are very simple, direct, close, military, short, and to the point. Why are you helping me? What to do? I feel a bit like being ordered by others, which is not good and not so comfortable, so I will ask my students to add the word "please" before you make any request. Can you please? So we just call each other "comrade". Ok, you said it came from the Soviet Union. Now I have a Soviet colleague who is very polite. What's going on?

Robert:

That is to say, he is not the Soviet Union, he is a Russian, and he has a very complicated set of politeness. In ancient times, it was a feudal society, and so were the Chinese. But the Russians are not the same as the Soviets. The Soviet Union, the communist revolution of Lenin and Stalin, It is a revolutionary thing, which means that no matter what kind of complicated relationships you have, everything is gone. We are either comrades or enemies. I know who is our enemy. Yes, none of these things. What you are talking about is that the Russians are polite. Look at Pushkin, and you can see that he is very polite when talking about Tolstoy. But if you look at revolutionary literature, look at the Don River in Beijing and Tianjin, and look at how steel is When it is refined, you will know that the whole world is turned upside down.

No solution:

So that's ok, now I can probably know it very clearly, but I think there is indeed a vocabulary difference between Taiwan and China, a big difference. Then sometimes when I communicate with some people from mainland China, whether they are students, parents, friends, etc., I feel that sometimes I sound a little offended. But in fact, they may not mean this, but because the language is used differently, the feelings are actually quite different, and sometimes there are some misunderstandings.

Robert:

Look at the Kuomintang’s party schools, for example, and the Whampoa Military Academy’s motto: “Dear Sincerity”

No solution:

Then dear sincerely, China does not have it, OK, what should China be called?

Robert:

United, tense, serious and lively,

No solution:

Thanks. Honorific system, I think now that my country in Taiwan does not have a so-called honorific system, Taiwanese people are very tactful, and they are very tactful in everything they say. I'm sorry, can you borrow something from me? I think Taiwanese people are quite polite when speaking. They may not be sincere, but they are definitely polite.

Robert:

China must have an honorific system. In the past, the way the ancients wrote each other was very complicated, and there were many things like bowing and bowing, but after the great revolution of the 20th century, all these They have all been wiped out by Comrade Hello. In fact, his kind of traditional things are like being cut off completely with a knife, especially those like the Cultural Revolution. Some are very complicated, and people's lives are also different. There are a lot of them, and there are a lot of things about people’s lives. Just think about these things in Taiwan. For example, I didn’t explain them just now. Where did they come from? Didn’t they come from mainland China? Right? The current people in Taiwan either followed them or moved there from the mainland during the Ming and Qing Dynasties, right?

No solution:

That's not necessarily true. I'm thinking that Taiwanese people are also greatly influenced by Japan, yes. Because many of these honorifics come from Japanese, and

Robert:

50 years of Japanese rule.

No solution:

Yes, I think honorifics are very polite. This aspect must be quite influenced by the Japanese.

Robert:

Yes, this one too

No solution:

It existed in ancient China, and then added the 50 years of Japan. I think there is a certain gap.

Robert:

Yes, the Japanese considered some of the people who had been with them before to be traitors in our terms, some traitors from the puppet Manchukuo. So I think when these people later fled to Japan, the Japanese took very bad care of them. . Including I have seen some people who were officials in the puppet Manchukuo, and then they all escaped after 1949. After they escaped, they fled to Japan, and then they looked for those former Japanese officials. These people are quite Japanese. Take care of them, and then find ways to arrange their lives, arrange jobs, and find schools for their children. I think the Japanese can do this well and are quite humane.

No solution:

Yes, so I think in the end, people in any country are actually good and bad, right? Then there are the friendly ones and the indifferent ones. In fact, this has a little to do with nationality and cultural background. But in fact, going back to what I said last time, people are still the same essence. If your human essence is Kind-hearted, I don’t think there will be much of a mistake, unless some people are really psychopaths, so there will be some kind of cruel struggle and merciless blows ~ This is not because he is a psychopath, and then he puts everyone They've all been brainwashed into psychopaths.

Robert:

It's a creed, it's not a problem,

No solution:

It's your creed. The problem is that your creed was formulated by psychopathic people, so it makes everyone psychopathic, because it goes against human nature, right? You talk about cruel struggle. I think this is against humanity. It is really against humanity. Many things are against humanity, including ruthless attacks.

Robert:

Yes, actually, because you don’t attack mercilessly, you will be attacked mercilessly.

No solution:

So it's a toxic system, don't you think? Why do you want to attack your mutual love? Can't you love me and I love you? Isn't this okay?

Robert:

He is like this, everything you love is eliminated,

No solution:

Those of you who survived are all abnormal. You are all traumatized, and you are suffering from attacks all day long. Right, then what? Society has become a very perverted society, right? So this is what the problematic forward and reverse cycles look like. If you say that everyone is loving and can care about and consider each other, then there won't be these problems. You must fight and attack for whatever reason. I admit that this person is a really complex animal. right. That’s right. The higher you go, the more bastards ask why so many big companies in the United States are doing the same thing in France. They are starting to eliminate some smart assholes. Smart assholes are a very smart group of people. They all In the management class, they have no blood or tears, and then attack them mercilessly, so they become bastards. So now in some big companies in the United States, they are eliminating some smart bastards. In France, in my workplace, my boss was eliminated a few years ago and three years ago, but my boss was really good. Smart, but he was really a bastard and he was eliminated. So every kind of person has his own life background. Now I think we are starting to move towards a more humane society, so it is estimated that these smart bastards will not be able to survive in the future. After all, the world is progressing. I don’t know where China is. What is the situation? I don’t know what the situation is in Taiwan, because I have never worked in either place. But in France, there is indeed such a culture, which is to mercilessly attack those who will engage in power struggles. They will continue to disappear. This situation is especially true in some large French companies. They implement some relatively inhumane and inhumane management, which has caused some employees to commit suicide or become depressed or something like that. Recently, they can let employees report on their own, for example, what kind of boss you have, and they have done this quite well. They have labor unions, and doctors with doctor work laws and labor laws to protect employees. Right, so basically the number of smart bastards now has begun to decrease. There are still some, but it has begun to decrease. I met it at my workplace. It's already 15:32 now. Can we almost end it here this time, and then if we have other topics that interest you, we can talk again.

Robert:

Okay, then thank you Wujie, thank you all @NEko @千翊陈@珮 Yanmother🌱

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