The dispute between Fang Zhouzi and "Ms. Li is not your teacher", my comment and the interaction and debate with other tweeters

Jasmine from Sweden: Many people said they were blocked by Fang Zhouzi, but they are still willing to follow and forward Fang’s tweets. This moved me very much. Twitter friends are knowledgeable, and they would rather put up with Fang's character.

This also explains why I want to defend Fang Zhouzi. I joined an international human rights organization 30 years ago, and I know very well that shouting human rights slogans in vain is of little use. Especially the epidemic situation requires professional knowledge. I have retweeted a lot of Fang Zhouzi's tweets, so I am obliged to testify to his contribution.

I:

Teacher Fang Zhouzi's speeches and articles are all dry goods with very high value. They are not empty talk, not slogans, let alone rumors and conspiracy theories. They not only talk about science and reason, but also have humanistic care and a spirit of justice. At least there is no second among the Chinese.

Aren't those shortcomings insignificant compared with these?

If democratic China needs a chief scientific adviser, Fang Zhouzi is the most suitable for this position

Here are other people's comments on my tweet and my reply:

UBsoft: What he can build is the only enlightened and autocratic society in science. As for diversity and tolerance, block me all

Me: Actually, that’s not bad, Plato’s Utopia is like this. Fang Zhouzi not only talked about science, but also humanities

martin: he is more authoritarian than anyone else

Me: He didn’t use any power. Of course he is free to blacklist and criticize himself

tthongk concurrently serves as household head: Even if China becomes democratic, Fang Zhouzi is unlikely to be an official. Freedom is used to and never shows mercy.

Me: Indeed, officialdom and many other places require relationships. But party advisors don't need that much dealing

nicegogo: It's a pity that most Chinese people don't know the goods.

Me: In fact, there are quite a few ordinary people who support him. Generally, those who have no conflict of interest with him and who believe in scientific rationality support him. But acquaintances especially have grievances, and those who hate him. This shows that he is on the side of the people

Liu Suifeng: So Lao Fang has the most enemies!

Me: This just proves that he is not afraid of offending people

EDDY: Those who are really academics don't bother to look him in the eye. False submissions without verification, daily washing of other people’s tweets, reposting pictures and videos without indicating the source, not giving credits to the original author, errata not being corrected when mistakes are pointed out, angered and yelled at and then blocked...Only the bottom-level idiots treat him as a precious

Me: Not to mention foreign countries, the academic world in China is rotten, all kinds of inbreeding and interest blending, probably because I dare not look at Fang Zhouzi directly, not because I am too lazy to look at it. Submission does not represent Fang Zhouzi's position, only after it is sent out can it be verified. Most of the submissions have provenances, and some have no provenances to protect the contributors and whistleblowers

Ma Jun: His wife wrote an article titled "Same Dislike in the Clean World", which is very in line with Fang's personality and the world's evaluation of him. In a word of gossip, Fang's maintenance and loyalty to his wife and daughter are really manly. I have seen him seldom have angry quarrels, they are always when the other party attacks his wife and daughter, and there are even rare violent outbursts.

Me: So he is indeed a real backbone of the nation. But if it were me, I wouldn't get married and have children. This will indeed be attacked by particularly evil people as a weakness

Ma Jun: I’ve been on xys since 2002 and saw Fang’s blog, Weibo, and Twitter all the way to the present. During that time, he has been hating countless people. Some of them I don’t agree with, but most of them are justified. I can only say that he was approved. One cannot help doubting oneself. The disadvantage of Fang is that he is relatively paranoid and admits death, and his writing style is sharp and even acrimonious.

Me: Others also hold grudges, but unlike Fang Zhouzi's revenge through legitimate reflection, they are vicious

Ours is wrath: 1. Scientific logic still has its limited boundaries. Of course, this question is a bit philosophical, but Fang Zhouzi's logic is not so clever, and it is okay to deceive uneducated people. 2. It is very boring to use conspiracy theories to question a person who has just made a major sacrifice and provided great public value. Fang Zhouzi always does such things, which is despicable. Your judgment is limited, and you especially like to speak on various platforms. My suggestion is to learn more and talk less

Me: I wrote an article specifically on this, of course scientific rationality can measure everything. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's justified. Teacher Li is indeed not a liar, but he must be in a team, and many things cannot be done by himself.

Which platform I speak on is my right and freedom. Whether my level is high or not is one thing, but many other people, including various big Vs, are not very good.

I'm done replying, you can go out and go slow, thank you

our is warth: I just kindly remind you, what's the point of watching you send messages everywhere in the Telegram group every day? You spend more time talking than you think, no wonder you can't see Fang Zhouzi's problem.

Me: You are also very idle and stare at me every day. Thank you for your hard work. I don’t know who gave you the funds. Next time change your account to attack me, get out

joy Wong : In one sentence, the dispute between Fang Zhouzi and Fang Hei is a dispute between science and superstition.

Me: Almost, not only, but also the struggle between progressive and conservative, justice and evil

Liu Daoheng: too bad character

Me: Looking at the character of other people, Fang Zhouzi is considered very good

ariesfanfan: If one person gives you some leftovers from science popularization, you can accept that an ordinary person is caught by him, and he thinks it is a trivial shortcoming. Then your democratic China is too scary. Fortunately, you have achieved nothing, and you are doomed to achieve nothing.

Me: 1. It’s not leftovers; 2. You can find a better one with popular science

Factual Correctness: Zhouzi has no leadership. He was fine before he came to Twitter. He interacted with Twitter and made more enemies than friends. How could he become a leader?

Me: The consultant doesn't need to deal with too much

Factual Correctness: Those shortcomings are certainly not trivial. From Zhouzi to this day, Twitter is full of Fang Hei attacking him with people who don't know the truth, which is inseparable from his serious flaws in character, and runs counter to Fang Zhouzi's purpose of speaking out.

Me: If it were me, I think we can be more tolerant and strategic, but Fang Zhouzi also has the right not to forgive

Factual Correctness: He is too conceited. While I'm sure of what he did, I think he greatly overestimated himself. Many netizens were blocked almost without saying "yes, yes, right". Twitter cost him too much support. According to my blind feeling, even if the proportion of overseas Chinese supporting him is not high now, not many people think he has credibility. quite sad

Me: Maybe I don’t have the energy to distinguish everyone’s benevolence and malice. Even if one out of 10 people is malicious, it will be very painful and others will be affected.

Riyao Sanpi: No matter how high the academic value is, these shortcomings cannot be slandered, because these shortcomings are the manifestation of his humanity, and it is difficult for a person with despicable humanity to be a big responsibility

Me: Aren't those who use all means to gain benefits, manipulate people, and harm others more despicable?

Riyao Sanpi: Yes, but there is no more despicableness, they are all despicable, such people cannot understand

Me: "Deal with a rogue in the same way as a rogue, and deal with a rogue in the same way as a rogue"_--Lu Xun

Billy: I suggest you look at the court records of the Security Fund. Maybe he was upright at first, but later he became famous and could hold public opinion hostage and do whatever he wanted; moreover, when he accumulated wealth later, he had no bottom line at all.

Me: He has clarified many times that those funds have clear accounts and are managed by the foundation. Moreover, with Fang Zhouzi's contribution, taking a few million is not much. Among other things, how many official academic review institutions in China are all vegetarians and even guarded by officials? How many official civil servants has Fang Zhouzi surpassed in cracking down on academic fakes? It's really not much to take this little money

Yollood: You are almost called Elbow Fang, and of course your chrysanthemum mother

me: get out

Anti-Communist Diary: Fang Zhouzi made a lot of contributions to crack down on counterfeiting, but he never dared to explain why he colluded with scum like Sima Nan!

Me: Why do friends have the same political views? Sima Nan used to be a science popularizer who cracked down on counterfeiting, and later became a Mao fan and a Russian fan, and he is still very good to Fang Zhouzi. Fang Zhouzi has also clearly criticized Sima Nan, so what else? Sima Nan had helped protect Fang Zhouzi for many years, so should Fang Zhouzi insult Sima Nan every day regardless of friendship? Fang Zhouzi doesn't show affection but it doesn't mean he's a robot

Hopeful: Freedom is not just a right, but a capability. You need to have a high IQ, high scientific literacy, high moral standards, and empathy for the oppressed common people in order to obtain it. In this sense, Dr. Fang is the freest person in the world.

me: indeed

Going back and coming: Fang Zi is so talented, but Qin Hui’s calligraphy is still everyone’s, it’s still bad, its essence is bad, it’s still bad if it’s good or bad

Me: The best thing about Fang Zhouzi is not his knowledge and talent, but his quality

Brucelea Lea: I agree. I also appreciate his tweets. But he blocked me, what should I do? Do you think this person is crazy?

Me: I was blocked too. The main reason is that there are too many Internet violence, so the reaction is fierce

Tusu: If the focus is on popular science and authenticity, then Fang Zhouzi's temper and personality can be ignored. In the Chinese-speaking world, Fang Zhouzi's contribution to science popularization and anti-counterfeiting is second to none.

If you have a low tolerance for people who are proud of their talents and have limited tolerance for retaliation against straight men, it is not a good choice to pay attention to Fang Zhouzi.

Me: In fact, Fang Zhouzi can be more gentle, but this gives the wicked an opportunity to take advantage of. some hooligans push their noses up their faces

Temporarily alone fat man: Fang Zizi should first clarify his bad debts of misappropriating the Security Fund, and then explain his wife's plagiarism, and then prove himself that he is not a big propaganda. The Anbao Fund ran out of money and started to take the Red Fund, right?

me: get out

Yongjun liang: You are all primary school students in democratic China?

Me: Take a look at all kinds of college students, masters and doctoral students. How many of them have basic scientific and humanistic qualities? superstitious stupid evil lot

weedman: There is a very hard to understand. If he is 100% sure that the opponent is a gang and has other goals, he can find another time to attack, and the opponent is already on the line, so it is difficult to turn around.

Me: It is precisely because the limelight is in full swing that it is necessary to crack down on fakes.

wzzzz: Thank you for your righteous words, I am Fang Zhouzi, I will make you hairless later

me: get out

no followers: Are you sick?

me: get out

Violet chenyang: I admire Fang Zhouzi for being outstanding.

The face that Chinese people like is nothing in front of scientific facts.

When the Chinese let go of the plot, they will make a lot of progress

Me: Face-saving is also important, but now many Chinese people turn black and white and ignore the facts for the sake of face-saving and interests.

Tiger of Lhasa: Got it, you borrowed your brain from Xi Jinping

me: get out

Another twitter link:

moreless: Fang directly reveals the user's real name, doesn't it violate WeChat's privacy policy?

Me: Why can't it be exposed? "Teacher Li" is a public figure and has the responsibility to accept supervision. Fang Zhouzi also used public information, isn't it okay? All kinds of rumors and slanders on the Internet are using anonymity to make trouble

jojo: Everyone knows in their hearts that the national security is watching on the Internet. What are you people who want to expose Teacher Li, what are you doing🙄...you can't hide your ugly face, heart, black ass, and black ass with beautiful words

Me: I have also searched for Guoan without exposing it, and the situation is even more clear. In fact, being open is also a good thing for "Teacher Li", and it is better to support him when something happens.

jojo: The way you talk and act makes me understand that the Chinese democracy movement is impossible, because people like you and Fang are stinky shit in the democracy movement.

me: get out

Liu Chengkun's "Out of Ulan": Do you know that Fang Zhouzi's security fund is defrauded? He cheated money from people like you

Me: He deserves 100 million

Another twitter link:

Teacher Li is not your teacher: so where do I get my information? How did you find mine so precisely? It was still a tabloid about an art exhibition more than ten years ago.

The same day the police came to my house you started stalking me online, trying to shut me up online and offline, right?

In order to win, you can completely disregard other people's family members, right?

How do you make netizens believe that the information they submit to you will not be handed over to the relevant departments by you?

Jasmine Sweden: Hello, Mr. Li! I take the liberty to ask you for advice

Have you already answered the questions you asked Fang Zhouzi? In the screenshot below you say that you made two video interviews. Since you showed up and disclosed your name, it is easy to find reports on your early art exhibitions.

Why do you still ask where Fang's information comes from? When did he ask you to shut up? You said that the police and the family are in trouble, if true, isn't it the result of your own video interview?

Chen Xiaolu: A teacher Li who cooperates with Diaoyu is not worth questioning. If he is questioned, he should talk about Anbao Fund. The tricks of scammers are basically the same.

Me: In fact, this reflects the lack of open and formal breaking news platforms and support networks. I don't think this kind of account is all phishing, but it is indeed unsafe and risky.

Fundamentally speaking, it is because the Chinese democracy/human rights forces do not have a unified, united, open and credible organization network, no authoritative media like Al Jazeera, and no professional mutual aid organizations like the Kurds, so all kinds of pheasant platforms are flying all over the sky. Protesters rush to hospital

I think Mr. Zhou Fengsuo is more trustworthy, and his Humane China platform is also a publicly registered human rights organization. If you trust him, you can submit an article to him to break the news. I am willing to be one of the guarantors and assume joint and several liability.

Other whistleblowing agencies should also use their real names and registrations in this way, as well as be guaranteed by others, and cannot abuse trust without anonymity or official registration agencies. Otherwise, if there is a problem, who to turn to? Who knows if this information will leak out?

Another twitter link:

Jasmine Sweden: More than one supporter of Mr. Li told me that Mr. Li has no time and no need to respond to me. very good!

But Fang Zhouzi is still trying to figure it out, pointing out that Mr. Li has a background that surprised us, as well as a wrong time and place. He seems to be writing a crime-solving movie.

I can't believe Fang's analysis. Teacher Li, please seriously refute Fang Zhouzi, and let us see the power of logical reasoning.

Me: Maybe it is another incident similar to the Han Han incident. Those who offended Fang Zhouzi probably didn't know how powerful he was. In fact, the person involved may not be so bad, but those who support the person concerned and slander Fang Zhouzi out of various illegal interests and wrong values are often not good things or at least some aspects are bad. In particular, they are dishonest, do not care about the truth, and disregard right and wrong for positions and closeness. Fang Zhouzi hates this kind of person the most

neptune0608: I saw Mr. Li said that the police were investigating his family members the other day, and he was in a very painful state, but he continued to tweet the next day as if nothing had happened. At that time, I felt a little curious, and it seemed that the donation link was also posted during that time. The second is to see that when he responded to the question for the first time, he said that his application for permanent residence was about to be approved, and there was no need to rely on this, but the media also said in an interview that the purpose of reposting the report was to apply for political asylum. Such a contradictory situation has to make people feel that there is a problem with the account.

Me: This is not a big problem. People can’t be in pain all the time. Such accusations are a bit like blaming victims of sexual assault for laughing.

There is no contradiction between political asylum and work green card. Many people on June 4th were directly transferred to political asylum because of their student visas.

I support Fang Zhouzi and his doubts, but I also oppose excessive speculation and accusations against "Teacher Li". Regardless of whether it is an individual or a team, whether it is selfish or not, what is being done now is objectively beneficial, but it should be more transparent