加密飞行 Vol.1 | 探秘多代同堂的太阳朋克花园：Edge City＆Janine

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很高兴看到这批来自世界另一端的访谈稿件，在兜兜转转后陆续面世。「加密飞行」专栏的缘起，以及首组访谈策划，是与友邻社区 Social Layer 共同完成的。作为一群经常在各地巡游的 “飞行员”，Eggy 和 Jiang 所带来的独特视野，正是「加密飞行」所想要展示的：一群从过去降落，置身于此刻，并渴望着挑战和探索更好未来的远航者。我们期待着这种展示，能够飞跃语言与物理距离的障壁，成为未来加密公民同现实之间的桥梁。

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About Edge City/关于Edge City

Janine

I helped establish one of the first pop-up cities, Zuzalu, in Montenegro last year as a two-month experiment to explore whether we could bring together individuals interested in diverse projects and frontier technologies, particularly in crypto and longevity. The initiative was a success, highlighting the global desire for more such experiments. Inspired by Vitalik's vision of decentralization and public goods, we aimed to develop Zuzalu as a public good.

After creating Zuzalu, we debated its future—whether to develop it as an event area or something else. Ultimately, we concluded that decentralization would be more beneficial, allowing various people to create similar initiatives. I collaborated with co-founder Timour Kosters from Edge City, focusing on leading and building this ecosystem rather than just participating. This inspired the concept of "building on the edge," fostering an environment where diverse, innovative thinkers can thrive, which is the essence of Edge City.

We decided to create a communal village focused on multigenerational families, healthy living, and collaboration as a temporary campus. Participants will co-create experiences and projects, exploring how to accelerate progress through close living, outdoor activities, and fostering a culture of building rather than consuming. This concept aims to generate a vibrant space that attracts innovative talent, potentially evolving into a new urban area. My partner Devon(Devon Zuegel) joined based on this vision; she is interested in land in Northern California, while we prioritize being close to San Francisco to attract talent from cutting-edge industries. We are currently in the second phase of this experiment in Hillsborough.

去年我协助建立了首个Pop-up city，Zuzalu。我们在黑山进行的、为期两个月的实验，旨在探讨我们是否能够真正将对不同项目、技术、理念感兴趣的人聚集在一起，他们对于不同的生活方式和与其他从事前沿技术的人密切合作充满好奇。我们主要集中在加密货币和长寿（Longevity）领域。这个实验非常成功，最大的收获之一，是看到世界上出现更多这样的实验。受到Vitalik（以太坊创始人）在去中心化和公共物品领域的远景的启发，我们旨在让Zuzalu这个项目成为公共物品。

创造Zuzalu之后，我们围绕它的未来展开了辩论——是发展为一个活动空间还是其他形式。最终，我们认为去中心化会更有益，能让更多人能够创建类似的项目。我与Edge City的联合创始人Timour Kosters协同，专注于如何引领和建设这个生态系统，而不仅仅是参与。这激发了“Building on the edge”的概念，旨在创造一个让多样化、创新的思想家们蓬勃发展的环境，这就是Edge City的本质。

我们决定创建一个公共聚落——专注于多代同堂家庭、健康生活和协同的临时校园，参与者将共同创造体验和项目，探索如何通过附近生活、户外活动，以及培养一种用建造取代消费的文化，以此加速进步。这个概念旨在生成充满活力的空间，吸引创新人才，使它可能演变为新的城市。我的合作伙伴Devon(Devon Zuegel)正是基于这个愿景而加入的；她对北加州的土地感兴趣，而Edge City团队优先考虑靠近旧金山，以吸引前沿产业的人才。现在，我们正在希尔斯堡（Healdsburg）享受这一实验的第二个阶段。

注：Devon正在寻找土地建设Esmeralda: a family-friendly neighborhood based on walkable urbanism, lifelong learning, & healthy living.
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Some of you have been here for a month, others for a week, and some for just two days, but you've all experienced the world we envision—a space that fosters human flourishing, cooperation, and multi-generational connections while advancing health innovations and integrating diverse industries. We’re still far from perfect, and there's much room for improvement in our infrastructure. We planned to address this in a Q&A session. While I’ve seen some questions, the first step is to find a location near the bay, ideally within a 1 to 2-hour radius of San Francisco, that’s somewhat workable.

We have a welcoming local community excited about this initiative, with ample accommodations and resources. Now that you’ve experienced Healdsburg, we’d like to know if it feels like a good location and what changes you would suggest. We want to explore various industries and topics, with a particular focus on the multi-generational aspect and health improvements. Additionally, we’ll discuss upcoming events in Argentina in August with Project Crecimiento and in Thailand in October.

有些人已经在这里生活了一个月，有些人一周，有些人只有两天，但你们都体验到了我们所设想的世界：一个促进人类繁荣、合作和多代连接的空间，推进健康的边界，同时融合多种产业实践。我们距离实现目标还有很远，基础设施也有很多改进空间。接下来我们希望通过问答来构建讨论。迄今为止，我已经看到了一些问题，譬如希望找一个靠近海湾的地方，距离旧金山一到两小时的路程内，并且适合工作。

现在我们已经有了友好的当地社群，以及一群对这个项目充满热情的人，并拥有足够的住宿和资源。在体验了Healdsburg之后，你们认为这个地方是否合适？我们也希望寻求更多的建议，探讨不同的行业和主题，特别是多代连接和健康改善方面。此外，我们还将讨论即将八月在阿根廷的 Crecimiento项目和十月在泰国举行的活动。

Building multigenerational community/多代社区的建设

Janine

Next, I want to discuss a big topic—building multigenerational communities. We aim to create a shared living and interaction space for people of all ages, particularly environments designed for families. One of the reasons I've started exploring co-living is my thoughts on how I will raise children. My own school experience wasn't pleasant, but my parents were very supportive of my creativity and provided many educational opportunities outside the classroom, for which I'm very grateful. Now, while people are trying to innovate within classroom education, I wonder if we can create a more diverse learning environment where children can learn in different settings and interact with more adults and varied lifestyles.

Research shows that many successful individuals had exposure to a wide range of adults and different learning environments during their upbringing. However, contemporary children mostly interact only with their parents or a few teachers at school, which greatly limits their perspectives. Our intention is to involve children in our lives and learning. I really appreciate the parents who bring their kids along—you're amazing! I tell many parents that they can "hit the exit button" at any time, but everyone has stayed committed. Next, I want to hear from both parents and non-parents—how has your experience been in multigenerational communities? What aspects have surprised or interested you?

接下来我想讨论一个大话题——多代同堂的社区建设。我们希望为不同年龄段的人提供一个共同生活和互动的空间，尤其是为家庭设计的环境。我个人开始探索共居的原因之一是，我考虑到自己将如何养育孩子。我个人在学校里的体验并不愉快，但我的父母非常支持我的创造力，他们提供了很多课堂外的教育机会，我非常感激他们。如今人们尝试对课堂内的教育进行创新，我们能否创造一个更加多样化的学习环境，让孩子们能够在不同的环境中学习，接触到更多的成年人和不同的生活方式？

有研究表明，很多成功人士在成长过程中都曾接触过大量的成年人，参与过多种不同的学习环境。然而，当代的孩子大多只能与父母或学校里的几位老师互动，这大大限制了他们的视野。我们的初衷是让孩子们加入进来，和我们一起生活和学习。非常感谢那些带孩子来的父母们，你们真的很棒！我告诉很多父母，他们随时可以“按下退出按钮”，但实际上大家都坚持了下来。接下来我想听听父母们和非父母们的看法——你们在多代社区中的体验如何？哪些方面让你们感到惊讶或者特别有趣？

Anon

I'm a father of a two-year-old, and my partner and I discussed for a long time before deciding to come here for the experience. We know this place tries to be kid-friendly, but we still couldn't overcome the challenges of bringing a two-year-old. We wanted to work but couldn't find suitable childcare, so in the end, we had to leave our child at home and participate in the activities ourselves.I think if there were childcare services available, we would be more inclined to bring our child. Education and childcare services are important factors for us when deciding whether to bring our child. I also find it meaningful to be around older adults. I’ve noticed that most of the local residents here are older, which adds richness and diversity to the experience. I wonder if you’ve considered a “homestay” model? I participated in some exchange programs when I was younger and stayed with host families, and it was a very meaningful experience for me.

我是一个两岁孩子的父亲，我和伴侣讨论了很久，最终决定来这里体验。我们知道这里试图对孩子友好，但我们还是无法克服带着两岁孩子来的困难。由于找不到适合的托儿服务，最后我们不得不把孩子留在家里，自己来参加活动。我觉得如果有类似的托儿服务，我们会更愿意带孩子来。教育和托儿服务是我们在选择是否带孩子来的重要因素。我觉得和老年人在一起也很有意义。我注意到这里的本地居民大多是年长一些的人，这让活动更加丰富多样。我想知道是否考虑过类似的“寄宿家庭”模式？我年轻时参加过一些交换项目，住在寄宿家庭里，这对我来说是一次非常有意义的经历。

Janine

We did consider the homestay model and discussed how to build such relationships. The local baseball team has a homestay program every year, and we hoped to learn from their experience. However, due to time and manpower constraints, we weren't able to implement this idea for this event. I realized that our team lacked the capacity to effectively maintain these relationships, and we wanted to ensure a good first impression. Our hope is that even if people don't meet again, they can still expand their connections over time. It's really interesting to see different groups come together. The diverse community you all bring fills a gap in ours.

我们确实考虑过寄宿家庭模式，也曾经讨论如何建立这样的关系。当地的棒球队每年都有寄宿项目，我们也希望能借鉴他们的经验。最终由于时间和人力的限制，我们没能在这次活动中实现这个想法。我意识到我们的团队没有能力去有效地维护这些关系，我们希望确保给人留下好的第一印象。我们的期望是，即使人们之后不再见面，他们仍然可以在时间的推移中扩展联系。看到不同的人群聚在一起是很有趣的。你们带来的多样化群体填补了我们社区的空白。

Anon

I think it's very important to find a safe space where children can play freely and safely while parents can also connect with each other. We happened to encounter other parents and kids on our way to the ice cream shop, and these natural interactions are the most valuable. We didn't arrange it deliberately; the kids played together while parents had a chance to chat. Opportunities like this can promote social interaction.Additionally, I want to bring up the housing issue again. Families have different housing needs compared to singles or couples. We had to stay 15 minutes away from town to find suitable housing for our family. Lastly, I want to mention that the needs of families vary based on the age of their children. Families with 1- or 2-year-olds have different needs compared to those with kids aged 7 to 12.

我觉得，找到一个安全的空间，让孩子们可以自由安全地玩耍，同时家长们也可以交流，这非常重要。我们会在去冰淇淋店的路上，偶然遇到其他家长和孩子，这样的自然互动最有价值。我们并没有刻意安排。孩子们可以一起玩耍，而家长们可以顺便聊聊天。类似的机会能够促进社交互动。家庭的住房需求与单身或情侣不同。为了找到适合家庭的住房，我们不得不住在距离城镇15分钟的地方。家庭的需求根据孩子的年龄段也会有所不同。有1岁、2岁幼儿的家庭需求与有7到12岁孩子的家庭完全不同。

Janine

I believe this is one of the key issues we need to explore—how to provide suitable community experiences for families. We don't want to exclude families due to our inability to offer specific services; instead, we want them to find their own solutions within this environment.

我认为这是我们要深入探讨的问题之一——如何为家庭提供合适的社区体验。我们不希望因为无法提供相应服务而拒绝家庭参与，而是希望家庭能够在这个环境中找到适合自己的解决方案。

Anon

I think you all are doing a great job in this regard. Although addressing the needs of children can be quite complex, the outcome for us has been fantastic. We brought our six-year-old, and while they couldn't fully participate in all the activities, they felt the welcoming atmosphere. This experience has been different from any we had before; we were originally looking for a family-friendly summer camp, and what we found here far exceeded our expectations. Of course, such arrangements require a lot of effort, but for us, it's definitely worth it. The kids are having a great time, and we feel we don't need to focus too much attention on them, which makes the overall experience very enjoyable.

我觉得你们在这方面做得很好。虽然处理孩子的需求确实很复杂，但对我们来说，结果非常棒。我们带着六岁的孩子来，他们虽然不能完全参与所有活动，却感受到了被接纳的氛围。这和我们之前的任何体验都不同，原本我们在寻找一个适合家庭的夏令营，而这里的体验远远超出我们的预期。这样的安排需要花费很多精力，但对我们来说非常值得。孩子们在这里玩的非常开心，而我们也感觉不需要花太多注意力在他们身上。

Anon

I haven't interacted with kids in a long time, which makes me think about my potential future life. Discussing fertility under the theme of health and longevity has prompted me to consider family and the future, and I've found myself looking forward to having children more than ever before. This is also one of the most multigenerational communities I've seen among so many temporary communities. When the participants are all young, there tend to be more "indulgent" activities. I don’t mean to downplay these activities; they’re fun, like attending parties or morning gatherings in an apartment. But now that I'm in my thirties, I find that these activities start to affect my productivity. This community feels more balanced. There are activities suitable for all age groups, like parent meet-ups, and this balance is something I really appreciate.

我已经很久没有和孩子一起互动了，这让我想到了自己未来可能的生活。在健康和长寿的主题下，谈到生育问题让我开始考虑家庭和未来，我发现自己比以往更期待拥有孩子。这也是我在这么多临时社区里看到的，最具多代同堂特点的社区之一。当参与者全是年轻人时，往往会有更多的“放纵”活动。我不想贬低这些活动，它们很有趣，像是参加派对或在清晨的公寓聚会。但现在我三十多岁了，我发现这些活动开始影响我的工作效率。这个社区感觉更加平衡。有适合各个年龄段的活动，比如家长见面会等，这种平衡让我非常喜欢。

Imagination across ages/跨年龄的想象力传递

Janine

I think the presence of children has also provided me with a great experience. Yesterday, I spoke with a teenage girl who was very opinionated and shared many insightful ideas. She told me she wanted more activities, like playing with dogs. So, I arranged a dog play session for her, and later she told me she really enjoyed it. Then she made another suggestion: she wanted us to host a game night, like playing Mario Kart or Fortnite. She even offered detailed suggestions on when it should start and how to set up the space.This made me realize that children are not just passive participants; they have many creative ideas. She told me, "When I turn ten next year, I want to help build more cities."

我觉得孩子们的存在让我个人有了非常好的体验。昨天我和一个十几岁的女孩交谈，她非常有主见，表达了很多精彩的想法。她告诉我她想要更多的活动，比如想和狗一起玩。所以我给她安排了一次和狗玩耍的活动，后来她告诉我，她非常喜欢这次体验。接着她提出了另一个建议，她希望我们能举办一个游戏之夜，比如玩《马里奥赛车》或《堡垒之夜》。她甚至给我提出了详细的安排建议，像是几点应该开始，如何布置场地等。我意识到孩子们不仅仅是被动的参与者，他们也有很多创造性的想法。她告诉我：“明年我十岁的时候，我要帮助建设更多的城市。”

Anon

I want to emphasize the importance of sharing knowledge across generations. Multi-generational communities have existed for a long time, and sharing wisdom is essential. Kids naturally seek this knowledge, and there's a simple way to teach them. For example, when asked how to use a paperclip, college students might come up with three ideas, while kindergarteners can suggest over a hundred. This shows how much we can learn from children. Instead of isolating ourselves, we should think about integration and how to create connections. There’s a lot to gain from an open educational environment, as demonstrated by last night’s experience at the hacker house, where both sides had valuable insights to share.

我想强调跨代分享知识的重要性。多代同堂的社区已经存在很长时间，而分享智慧至关重要。孩子们自然会寻求这种知识，而有一种简单的方式可以教他们。例如，当问到如何使用一个回形针时，大学生可能提出三个点子，而幼儿园的小朋友却能提出超过一百个。这显示出我们可以从孩子身上学到很多东西。与其孤立自己，我们应该思考如何整合和创造联系。从开放的教育环境中有很多收获，正如昨晚在黑客之家体验所展示的那样，双方都有宝贵的见解可以分享。

Janine

Another reason we wanted to include kids is that they really bring fun, and fun is very important in life. We wanted to ensure that Edge City is a fun space because it helps drop the ego. As we explore new ways of living and undertake major projects, the ego can often become a barrier. Kids have a wonderful way of reminding us that life is a wild journey filled with ups and downs, and that’s an important aspect to embrace along the way.

孩子们真的能带来乐趣，而乐趣在生活中非常重要。我们希望确保Edge City是一个有趣的空间，因为这确实有助于放下自我。在我们探索新生活方式和进行重大项目时，自我常常会成为障碍。孩子们有一种奇妙的方式提醒我们，生活是一段充满波折的奇妙旅程，这在旅途中是一个重要的方面。

Anon

You mentioned that some people teach kids origami and knitting, which is a great way to share knowledge. We could also teach kids fun skills like playing table tennis or chess. These activities not only benefit the children but also allow adults to learn a lot. I just received a text from my wife saying, "I turned around and didn't see Max; he climbed up a tree with Boris's twins!" So, while we can plan and organize activities, sometimes children's natural instincts lead them to find their own fun. It's a kind of unstructured "programming" where kids can freely explore without us constantly needing to keep an eye on them.This really is an ideal space—not too big or too small, not overcrowded, and easy to navigate. I feel this environment is perfect for families, and once they get familiar with the place, they’ll want to come back. In the future, I think we could create some videos or guides to help new families get acclimated more quickly.

你刚才提到有人教授孩子们折纸、钩织，这是一种很好的知识共享方式。我们可以教孩子们一些有趣的技能，比如如何打乒乓球或者下象棋。这些活动不仅让孩子们受益，成年人也可以从中学到很多。我刚刚收到我妻子的短信，她说：“我一转眼没看见Max，他和Boris的双胞胎一起爬到树上了！” 所以，虽然我们可以进行规划和安排活动，但有时候，孩子们自然的天性会引导他们找到自己的乐趣。这是一种不被安排的“编程”，孩子们可以在这里自由探索，而我们也不必时时关注他们。这是一个理想的空间，不大也不小，既不会太拥挤，也不会让人迷失方向。我觉得这种环境非常适合家庭，熟悉这个地方之后，家庭会想要再回来参与。我想在未来，我们可以制作一些视频或导览，帮助新来的家庭更快地熟悉环境。

Janine

Regarding community spaces, one last point: if any of you are involved in building new cities, please consider including public spaces like plazas. They are not just gathering places; they are the "soul" of a city. I spent countless sleepless nights while constructing Zuzalu because we needed a venue that could accommodate 600 to 800 people, and the city we ultimately chose didn't have enough space. But here, we see a great example of how more people can gather in this plaza, surrounded by dining options, creating a central meeting point. This kind of public space makes the entire community feel larger and more connected. For those building new cities, keep this in mind.

关于社区空间的最后一点，如果你们中有任何人在建造新城市，请务必考虑像广场这样的公共空间。它不仅仅是一个聚集的场所，还是城市的“灵魂”。我曾在构建 Zuzalu 时熬过无数个不眠之夜，因为我们需要找到一个能容纳600到800人的场所，而我们最后选择的城市没有足够的空间。但这次，在这里我们看到了一个很好的例子。我们可以有更多的人聚集在这个广场上，周围有餐饮选择，大家在中间聚集。这种公共空间让整个社区变得更大、更紧密。对于那些建造新城市的人，这一点请铭记在心。

Future of Edge City/Edge City 的未来

Janine

Finally, before we conclude, I want to discuss the future planning of "Edge City." We are planning some small roundtable discussions focusing on topics like cryptocurrency and others. We believe that bringing together people from different backgrounds to break down industry barriers and collaboratively solve problems is incredibly valuable.

Therefore, in addition to large events, we will also hold some small-scale discussions with around 20 participants to see how they go. Next, we will be launching a project called Crecimiento in Argentina. We hope to establish more meaningful collaborations with existing institutions and organizations, similar to our partnerships with Protocol Labs and Foresight, to create better experiences together. We will explore potential long-term collaboration opportunities in Argentina and perhaps host more events there in the future.

Next, we will be hosting an event in Chiang Mai, Thailand, from October 10 to November 10, right before the Devcon conference. I truly believe that, overall, cryptocurrency can be interesting in many other aspects. I see it more as an infrastructure layer rather than just a topic that always needs to be discussed, which is why I find these environments fascinating—to see how they operate. Here, my thinking will be stimulated, and it will be a very interesting and enjoyable experience. We have found some coworking spaces there and have identified a few hotels, considering a more concentrated small-scale residency format in parallel. Many people will act like a mycelial network connecting with each other throughout the process.

最后我们想讨论“Edge city”的未来规划。我们正在计划一些小型圆桌会议，聚焦于加密技术和其他主题。我们认为，把来自不同背景的人聚集在一起，打破行业壁垒，共同解决问题，这非常有价值。

除了大型活动外我们还将举办一些20人的小规模讨论会，看看效果如何。接下来我们会在阿根廷开展一个项目Crecimeiento。我们希望与现有的机构和组织建立更多有意义的合作，像与Protocol Labs和Foresight的合作一样，共同创造更好的体验。我们将在阿根廷考察潜在的长期合作机会，或许未来会在那里举办更多的活动。

接下来，我们会在泰国清迈举办活动，时间是10月10日至11月10日，紧接着是Devcon大会。我确实相信，整体来说，加密货币可能在很多其他方面会有趣。我更视其为一种基础设施层，而不仅仅是一个总是需要讨论的话题，这也是我认为这些环境非常有趣的原因，看它们如何运作。但在这里，我的思维会被激发，这将是一次非常有趣和愉快的体验。我们在那儿找到了一些联合办公空间，还确定了一些酒店，我们考虑以更集中的小规模驻留形式并行进行。许多人就像是这些驻留之间的菌丝网络，在整个过程中相互连接。

Shownote

About Edge City/关于Edge City
Builder of Edge city/飞行城市的建造者
Experience of Pop-up/Pop-up 体验
Travel or Long-term relationship/持续旅行＆在地联结
Discussion in Edge City/城市中的讨论
Building multigenerational community/多代社区的建设
Imagination across ages/跨年龄的想象力传递
Future of Edge City/Edge City 的未来

💡Postscript/译后

去年我在黑山的快闪城市呆满了整整两个月，感受到由 Janine 这种能量满满，且考虑细微之处很周全的女性主导的社区设计。

下面的内容是来自 Janine 在 Healdsburg 举办快闪城市后与参与者的对谈，征求参与者感想等等。很开心能看到 Janine 在希尔斯堡对于多代家庭/多年龄人群共居的实践，对此在空间设计的考量上也很细致入微。以往多学科的人共居，后退一步看是精细分工下的产物，而多代人共居则是一种生命循环尺度上的交流。孩子能给予我们启发”，对谈中一位老者提到。

Janine: ”孩子们真的能带来乐趣，而乐趣在生活中非常重要“。译到这里的时候我会心一笑，记得去年在黑山采访 Janine 的时候天花板上掉下来一只小虫，她立刻回应道：Oh hey bug.(下一句仿佛是 make yourself at home :))

2024年秋冬是 Pop-Up 社区喷发的时期，除去那些带着自己创业项目或者某些领域头衔去的人，如果你也是像我一样的普通人，加入 Janine 系社区后发现自己可以贡献的事情，我相信她一定会在百忙之中尽力调动资源帮助你，激发你某一方面的潜能。

本录音文件由 SocialLayer 的 Jiang & Eggy 录制～ 想更进一步了解 Janine 的背景和她做社区的理念可以看一下我去年对她的采访：Janine: 设计 ZUZALU 社区机制的魔法师， Janine twitter: https://x.com/JanineLeger

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Edit: 0614

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