Hawks Director Huang Shaoze: "We keep talking, we are not afraid to expose the ugly."

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Our words: the current Secretary for Security of Macau, the first brother in charge of the police system: Huang Shao Ze. Possibly one of the most well-known senior officials in Macau. In this 2017 interview, he responded to the public's doubts about his identity as the "Thirteen Taibao", and also spent a lot of space explaining his understanding of the rule of law. Today, when the "National Security Law" is being "strengthened", it is very worth reading.

"People's Daily" reported earlier that the "face value" of the male police officers in Macau is a lot higher. Unfortunately, on the day of the exclusive interview with Huang Shaoze, the People's Daily report had not yet been published, and the director could not respond to the question. On the contrary, the alarm bell rang again on the day of the interview. The three security police were suspected of forming an illegal group, in addition to accepting active casino players. Cash, free meals, night entertainment and other benefits have also forged entry and exit records for others and leaked confidential information from the department. This is the second "black police" incident within a year and a half.

The interview was held at the home court of Huang Shaoze. While they were still chatting, Huang Si had already "turned the defensive into the offensive": "Before the return, you (the reporter) was the first to interview me, and the title was "Where is Huang Shaoze going?", hahaha..." He knew all the details by heart. As a result, the reporter did not ask questions about the interview rules when interviewing Huang Si, and just asked questions along the topics of concern.

Hawks Director Organised Crime Specialist

During the transition period before the handover of power before the handover, due to factors such as history and the governance policies of the Portuguese government in Macau, the vast majority of officials were from Portugal and a small number of natives. It was not until the post-transition period that Chinese took up bureau-level positions. Therefore, The Chinese side has long proposed that Macau should solve "three major problems" during the transition period, namely, the localization of civil servants, the localization of laws, and the official status of Chinese. , in the 1990s, a group of professionals from the Mainland came to study and work in Macao to prepare officials in different fields for the future SAR. Among them, the most famous at that time was the so-called "Thirteen Taibao".

Huang Shao Ze, the current Secretary for Security, was one of the legal professionals who came to Australia in the 1990s. When the reporter mentioned the topic of "Thirteen Pacific Insurance", Huang Shaoze emphasized that he "came to Macau in accordance with the law, went to Portugal in accordance with the law, returned to Macau in accordance with the law, and entered the government in accordance with the law. There was no illegal situation in the whole process." He said, "From the I was admitted to the Judiciary Police, to the Judicial Counselor, and to the Judicial Officer, all of which were tested by many competitors, and there was no special arrangement.”

At that time, he was transferred from a judicial officer to the Judicial Police Station, and then continued his studies on the job. The title of his doctoral thesis was "Organized Crime in Macau". There is no tolerance for erring subordinates, prosecution of social activists is never soft, and national leaders are strictly guarded during their visits. In this way, words such as "iron fist" and "hawks" have become Huang Shaoze's labels. I have denied it in the past, but this time my answer is, "If law enforcement is a 'hawk', you call me a 'hawk', and I admit it."

The words "law" and "law enforcement" may be Huang Shaoze's most repeated words in the interview. Recalling that before Macau's return to the motherland, the police and gangsters had serious collusion. Macau has experienced a dark period of public security that can be described as "bloody and bloody". During this period, the gangsters often fought violently for the marginal interests of casinos and for land. There were frequent street fights and gunfights, and the citizens were panicked. When the SAR was established, Huang Shaoze was promoted to the chief of the Judiciary Police in an important department. He considered that in order to improve law and order, he must first "safely" rectify the law and discipline within the police, especially to cut the link between the black police and the criminal group. .

In his eyes, the chaos and panic before the reunification was caused by the collusion of police officers with the gaming industry and the underworld, and it has become "the police and the black". Nowadays, many underworld members are hidden in all walks of life. Even if they are not related to the gambling industry, they will look for an umbrella within the police force to protect their interests.

"So when I study organized crime, in addition to improving the law and strictly enforcing the law, it is very important to strengthen the construction of the police force. It is very important to manage your own team and prevent them from colluding with the gambling industry and the underworld. To enforce the law fairly, if you do Without this point, many things cannot be done, so now the police are very strict with the law enforcement officers in casinos, otherwise it will become not law enforcement, but protecting them, and problems will arise.”

Speaking of which, in the final stage of the handover of the "Nine-Nine" regime, local officials took over as the director of most departments (the current director), but the judicial police were handed over at the last minute. "The Superintendent is the last (handover) department. It was not until 3:30 pm on December 19, 1999 that Bai Dean (the former superintendent of the Superintendent from Portugal) handed me the key of the office, "I will hand it over to my family." I'll take care of you." In this way, I entered the office with the key at 6 pm, and I was about to leave for the (return) PARTY before I entered the office." The details of nearly 18 years ago are still vivid in my mind.

As soon as he took office as director, Huang Shaoze decided to rectify the superintendent according to what he had thought before. First, the SAR government's first single-department reception and complaint center was set up. An anonymous reporting mailbox was also set up, and rules were established so that all the senior, middle and lower levels of the police station could meet him.

"As soon as the mechanism came out, it immediately received very good results. In fact, the police force has a high risk of doing this. (Whistleblowers) may target their colleagues or even their superiors." Huang Shaoze claimed that he would be absolutely fair to the middle and high-level complaints. "If you are not fair, you will not win the hearts of the people." Some judicial police officers were also punished and even fired for collaborating with triads and casinos. "If you don't do it, there's nothing in this department."

In addition to complete internal complaint channels, the bureau has also established a mechanism of "rewarding diligent and punishing laziness". Huang Shaoze said, "If there is a violation of the law, it must be punished immediately; if there is a good thing, it must be rewarded. It’s different. The most important thing in the police force is to have a positive and healthy culture. So in the fifteen years I was the chief of the police, the changes of the police officers have changed a lot. There are different issues that have always been there, but have gradually changed. The whole team has been very productive and positive is the mainstream.”

Obviously, Huang Shao Ze has strict requirements for the police force, which can be seen from the attitude of the Secretary of Security towards those involved in the wrongdoing. Among them, the police officers who were suspected of abusing dogs earlier sued the chairman of the Association for the Protection of Animals who reprinted the clips for violating the relevant provisions of the Personal Data Protection Law. In response to this, the Security Secretary's Office immediately responded, saying "I don't agree with it", and even pointed out that "instead of holding others accountable, you should review yourself." To make the Security Secretary win, it also raised doubts: Legally, the Secretary Police officers really have the right to file a complaint. Does the Secretary's statement interfere with the right to file a complaint?

At the same time, although Huang Shaoze emphasized strict law and discipline after he took charge of the security system, there are still many cases of security system personnel violating discipline. "The health police force should not have these problems. Of course, in a disciplinary department, we are more than just in case (personnel), there are large trees with dead branches, there will be such problems, but we can't use 'big trees with dead branches' For self-comfort, self-satisfaction."

"We keep saying: We are not afraid to expose the ugly. Because the ugly shows that we have the courage to face the problem and solve the problem. If we don't have the courage to find the problem and solve the problem, we will not expose it, and I am brave enough to expose it, that's us. Have the confidence and courage to face problems and solve them.”

The new official takes office and removes the "sand circle" first

Huang Shaoze: How to solve the case

In addition to the "alarm bell ringing", one of Huang Shaoze's "representative works" since he took office can be said to be directly involved in the "sand circle" incident in Lisboa. In January 2015, the Judiciary Police smashed the largest prostitution syndicate since the reunification. Among the 102 people involved, He Youlun, the nephew of the "Gambler King" who was accused of being the boss of the syndicate, was among the 102 people involved. All the big families "have no face" and reiterated that they should focus on combating organized crime and not allow organized crime to become a trend. At that time, the newly appointed Huang Shaoze was also accused of "three fires when new officials took office."

In this regard, he kept saying that he didn't think too much about it. "I didn't stop the (judiciary police), I didn't think too much, because as a law enforcement department and judicial department, if you think too much, it will affect justice, so my idea is 'everyone is equal before the law'. As a law enforcement, a Judges, you must uphold this view.”

Coincidentally, Huang Shaoze's doctoral dissertation is actually related to "organized crime" in Macau. "The pattern of crime is relatively sensitive, and it has not yet been published (this paper)." As for when he was still a prosecutor, Huang Shaoze was the first to enforce Macau's "Organized Crime Law." "This "Organized Crime Law", Law No. 6/97/M, took effect on August 1, 1997. I was a rotating prosecutor that day, and I was the first to use this law to sue the underworld."

But he also admitted that the legislative purpose of this law is to define "underworld" more broadly and make it easier for the police and the judiciary to investigate, prosecute and try. "But there are some problems in the implementation process, which is also one of the focuses of my research on organized crime." Although the three definitions of "organized crime", "criminal group" and "underworld crime" are different, no matter whether the police officers and society is confused. "How to straighten out the relationship between the three is very important, including our own awareness of these three concepts and understanding of how to enforce the law and use the law."

However, he believes that the current problem is not prominent, the legal definition is difficult to modify, and the current practical significance is not very big. "But when there is a need in the future, I will be the first to stand up and say that this law needs to be revised. Including definitions, types of crimes, methods of investigation and evidence collection, etc., these need to be re-examined."

What is beyond the law?

Needless to say, there are different opinions on Huang Shaoze's "iron fist" and "hawks", especially his tough handling of demonstrations. However, he responded that the police's handling had considered various factors. Among them, it was mentioned that the police restrained the demonstration by the small owners of Haiyiju.

"On December 20, 2015, Hai Yiju (small owner) went to the Oriental Pearl for a parade, blocking the road, attacking the police force, and not allowing police cars to enter the venue. At that time, a policeman was beaten to the ground with a hammer, and the police officers did not enforce the law. The whole process was very difficult. Restraint. At that time, there were many supporting police forces waiting on the periphery, and they did not pass. This is a kind of understanding, sympathy and tolerance for Hai Yiju, the miserable masters.

I told the Director General and Director Liang Wenchang: This group of people is different. It is true that their interests and this situation are really worthy of sympathy. It is understandable that they have behaved excessively. Water cannons, no pepper spray, and no law enforcement with a colleague attacked. "

"In this case, in order to maintain order and divert traffic, the police can use coercive force, but they failed to do so, and the traffic was paralyzed for many hours. How do you think the police enforce the law under this situation? Impersonal? There is absolutely, full of humanity, full of tolerance , full of understanding."

However, when it comes to the actions of the social movement, he is a little angry. "Other places, such as the 515 parade, clearly said that you can't walk on the road, but they insisted on doing it. The sidewalk is enough, and they must attack the police, which is not right. There is a place for you to express, and the sidewalk follows There is no difference in the traffic lanes, and this ban has been approved by the Court of Final Appeal. In the end, some people still have to attack the police. The police are fully responsible for ensuring social order. The same is true for the official residence. Any expressed demands must comply with the law, and there are certain procedures to be followed. If you don’t do this, you are breaking the law.”

Huang Shaoze emphasized that anyone who opposes the government and expresses opinions, "We all hope and demand to exercise our rights in accordance with the law. If the legal requirements are not met, the police have the responsibility to correct and enforce the law. This is the requirement of a legal society, and it is also a rule of law society. If the police let these illegal, criminal or illegal phenomena continue to develop, the society will be chaotic; chaos is not good for the society. Our laws are made to be obeyed, not to be seen, and there is no need to abide by them. ”

But does it take into account the growth of civil society?

"It's not up to us to decide. If the law is revised, we have no problem and will abide by it, but the law stipulates what should be done, and the police will deal with it accordingly. It is certain to express your appeal legally."

The Secretary of Security is a warm man at home?

During the last year's policy debate, some members called the Secretary a "warm man" and called on Mr. Wong to personally serve as an image ambassador and shoot a short video to attract residents to join the police force. People are curious about the life of the iron-fisted director after get off work. "Actually, buying food, cooking and doing housework is very common. I have been like this for a long time. Because my wife has injured her feet and she doesn't drive, I drive to buy food and go to the market." How did you meet your wife? "We have known each other for 90 years, and we will go to Portugal together (to read Portuguese)." How to create sparks? "This is too private, let's not talk about it, hahaha." Huang Si, who has always shown confidence and is often eloquent, has a rare embarrassed expression on his face.

It is said that Mrs. Huang is also an assistant attorney general, and is the same group of judicial judges as Huang Si. Her daughter is also studying law in Lisbon, Portugal. "My husband and I asked her to study law together." What did she miss? "literature."

A family of lawyers, what is the highest level in terms of "martial arts"? "My wife and I know both Mainland law and Macau law. Maybe our vision is wider than that of my daughter now, because we have always understood different systems, especially since we have been engaged in Macau law over the years. Macau, Portugal, and Mainland laws are clear, and we often read books. , including Taiwan and Hong Kong law, will know how much, the vision will be broader. Of course, life experience is much more than her."

"Life experience is very important. Life experience is in the process of investigating a case, or prosecuting or trying a case. If you know the story behind each person, you will have a more comprehensive judgment. In fact, the requirements in the Criminal Procedure Law It is the same with the requirements of the penalty and punishment. We must consider all factors in the handling of the case, not just the act itself. You need to mitigate the circumstances, aggravate the circumstances, and there are other factors that should be considered, which are clearly stipulated in the law. If you do not understand The things behind it are stipulated by the law, but you can’t do it.”

Do you often discuss legal issues with your daughter on weekdays? "My daughter often uses WeChat to talk to my wife about legal issues. If she has any questions during her studies, she has sent WeChat to say: "Mommy, this department has some solutions." , don't have time, it's all about the wife and her."

Next stop, Chief Executive?

As a chief security officer who would go to the market to buy food, Huang Shao Ze said that when he went to the market, saw hawkers, and saw everyone busy with life, he would have more understanding and support for life. "This is something that a government officer needs to master. It is also necessary to have a better understanding of the suffering of the people."

In recent years, the society has accumulated a lot of public grievances, and there have also been many criticisms of the government's administration. Although it is not necessarily directly related to the Secretary for Security, it is also related to social harmony and stability. Huang Shaoze believes that criticism of the government should be listened to no matter which department, and the reasonable ones should be addressed as best as possible. The unreasonable and excessive demands should be explained by the government, so that the society can understand the government more and the society can evaluate the government more rationally.

"It is impossible for any government to say that I have the ability to be the best. Any government must constantly improve itself, and there is room for improvement. No matter which government, individual, or system is perfect, it's all good. There is room for continuous improvement, so as the government and government personnel, we must always be humble to improve ourselves and listen to the voices of the public.”

In December 2019, the SAR government will have a new chief executive. Although there are still two years left, there is already a topic of guessing the next chief executive, and there are 4 "hot" or "dark horse" candidates. Chinese people are also concerned. Will Huang Shaoze be one of the candidates considered by Beijing when selecting candidates?

So, what are Huang Shaoze's thoughts? At the end of the interview, the reporter asked the question that many people wanted to ask: Do you want to go to the next level after changing the government in two years? "Assuming the question is not answered, hahaha." The example card responded. However, he added, "For me, from the very beginning to this day, I never imagined what I would do next, but just do my part. This is the best thing to do. Any civil servant, any official, he It should be in this state of mind to be healthy.”

"'A soldier who doesn't want to be a general is not a good soldier', of course. But if the soldiers can't do well, how can you be a general? So I think you should be yourself first, which is the best thing to do. I do it now. Secretary for Security, you must do your part. You can't make assumptions about future events, and you can't comment, hahaha."

Is there any special meaning in it? That remains to be seen.

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